Social Security Admin now ordering 174k rounds of JHP ammo

[ThaBigP]

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...source=message

http://www.infowars.com/social-secur...point-bullets/

[iceberg]

hope paul and john decide to drop in and talk about things like this.

how much ammo has our "government" ever bought at once in the past?

[ThaBigP]

hope paul and john decide to drop in and talk about things like this.

how much ammo has our "government" ever bought at once in the past?

We've bought this much before. For war. But not for anything else thus far.

[iceberg]

We've bought this much before. For war. But not for anything else thus far.

so under any previous president, no one has come close to buying this type of ammo for "home" use? i get what you say about how many rounds our military has spent on war in a given year and this is at least as much that as you say, can't be used outside the US.

maybe obama plans to hijack the whitehouse if he should lose. :)

[JBond]

This is nuts. Homeland security then the weather guys and now social security people? WTF? This is going to drive ammo prices through the roof. JHP? Who the fuck do they plan on shooting? I guess dems like guns after all.

[VTA]

This is nuts. Homeland security then the weather guys and now social security people? WTF? This is going to drive ammo prices through the roof. JHP? Who the fuck do they plan on shooting? I guess dems like guns after all.

Each other.

[ThaBigP]

If we set aside our (very reasonable, I'd suggest) concerns that this could be a "gear-up" for domestic confrontation, etc ... there *is* another plausable reason. Consider the "nudge", "behind the scenes" nature of these people who attempt to manipulate people into and out of certain behaviors by cranking economic levers (don't ban meat ... make it so expensive you can't afford it except on occasion ... don't ban SUVs, just make fuel so expensive you can no longer drive it ...). What they call "choice architecture". Or "hide the chocolate milk". Don't ban it, "hide" it or make it crazy expensive. They tried a 1000% (I believe) ammo tax under Clinton ... it didn't get far. Why not use supply-and-demand to create the same tax? Just tie up the major ammo manufacturers (in this case, Federal who runs the Lake City Arsenal and also ATK) fulfilling government contracts. The average Joe will stand there at Cheaper Than Dirt, stare at the empty shelves and what boxes/cases are left have tripled in price. Then again, maybe it's for both reasons. <_< ... >_>

[ThaBigP]

so under any previous president, no one has come close to buying this type of ammo for "home" use? i get what you say about how many rounds our military has spent on war in a given year and this is at least as much that as you say, can't be used outside the US.

maybe obama plans to hijack the whitehouse if he should lose. :)

http://www.fletc.gov/training/progra...division.html/

DHS Firearms Division states an annual consumption for training of 15mil rounds annually. Problem is, only a small portion of the 1.4 billion rounds ordered would qualify as training rounds. Besides, 1.4 billion rounds represents 100 years worth of training ammo expenditures. I'll need to dig up figures on duty ammo expended in the line-of-duty (where JHP would be discharged), but I can bet you dollars to donuts that it's an extremely small number in comparison. There aren't 15 million, much less 100 million or 450 million, federal law-enforcement shootings or duty discharges annually. In fact, I'd bet if I did more math, I'd find that the training ammo mixed in these various contracts is in-line with the 15mil annually. What has seen a dramatic upswing are the orders for JHP duty ammo. CALCULATOR!!!! .... mount up.

[VTA]

http://www.fletc.gov/training/progra...division.html/

DHS Firearms Division states an annual consumption for training of 15mil rounds annually. Problem is, only a small portion of the 1.4 billion rounds ordered would qualify as training rounds. I'll need to dig up figures on duty ammo expended in the line-of-duty (where JHP would be discharged), but I can bet you dollars to donuts that it's an extremely small number in comparison. There aren't 15 million federal law-enforcement shootings annually. In fact, I'd bet if I did more math, I'd find that the training ammo mixed in these various contracts is in-line with the 15mil annually. What has seen a dramatic upswing are the orders for JHP duty ammo. CALCULATOR!!!! .... mount up.

Maybe when Holder shipped off guns to the druggies down South, he forgot to supply them with ammo too. They called and told him, without bullets they're just heavy clubs...

[JBond]

In addition to your points BigP is that we are making these purchases with borrowed money that will have to be repaid. The whole thing is ridiculous.