you know why people hate liberals? cause they lose.

[iceberg]

looking forward to this HBO show. this is how we need to all start feeling again, imho.

[VTA]

Meh. Obvious in its message of a rallying cry for 'Liberals'. 'You know why everybody hates Liberals, because they lose'. I imagine a positive review would go along the lines of 'A wake up call in it's honesty' or some such tripe.
I guess the message is, not matter what you stand for, as long as you win, people will love you.


What Liberals seem to me to stand for is the very crumbling of our nations foundations, based on being seduced by the idea that it is progressive to do so. My distaste hovers more on that logical premise than on the vain ideas of winning and losing.

'Un-Godly' Technology? Does this imply a Godly technology and if so how is it defined? Trying to be subtle in it's atheism. What made America great had nothing to do with technology and economic power. Those things have severely degraded it's greatness as we grow more and more materialistic and less and less human. George Washington didn't rely on technology and our independence wasn't won by that or economic means. They didn't outspend the Brits like we did in the '80's to the U.S.S.R. It was faith and passion for something that would not be fully manifest until they were dead and a generation of people they'd never met would enjoy.

Ask any of the dildo's fighting for your vote today if they have the balls to do that.
When did this nation ever wage war against poverty? That must have been a monumental failure, because not only does it still exist, but it's creeping more and more into our own country.


You might say, this guy is looking a bit too deep into a mere TV show, but I think it's safe to say by now everyone has their hand in trying to vie for your ideological support. There is no more news, there is no more objectivity, everything is basically serving to win your vote.

[JBond]

Just another leftist rant using made up (bought and paid for) statistics. Oh yea, don't forget to take a swipe at religious people. No liberal rant is complete without it. Sigh...

He goes on to yearn for the good old days. Those days are gone because of leftist policies. Idiot writers. There is a reason I canceled HBO years ago. Zero redeeming qualities. Americans eat this garbage up and demand more. No wonder we are in trouble.

[iceberg]

ok, we got very different views out of that 3 1/2 minutes it would seem.

shots at religion? i heard 1, maybe 2. still believe in angels and "ungodly" - of which i hear used to describe a lot of things that really has nothing to do with God or religion.

but i also heard "this generation" is mired in a sense of self-entitlement that is too closely tied to who they vote for, which in my mind leads their thoughts around like a puppy dog.

are we the greatest country in the world today?

are we?

let's just start there because we seem to have again, gotten some very different messages out of this.

[VTA]

ok, we got very different views out of that 3 1/2 minutes it would seem.

shots at religion? i heard 1, maybe 2. still believe in angels and "ungodly" - of which i hear used to describe a lot of things that really has nothing to do with God or religion.

but i also heard "this generation" is mired in a sense of self-entitlement that is too closely tied to who they vote for, which in my mind leads their thoughts around like a puppy dog.

are we the greatest country in the world today?

are we?

let's just start there because we seem to have again, gotten some very different messages out of this.

Counted as a flaw in his rant: belief in the things of the bible. Shot 1. The word 'God' is in Un-Godly. Shot 2.
If the writers were being honest, people believe in Angels and things of the bible because of the 'good old day's', when this country still reverenced God and the bible. It contradicts itself - though I know it's just another attempt to re-write history. i.e. America is not founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs. It's very disingenuous. I've said countless times, if you don't believe in God, that's fine (for me at least) but if you have to lie about where we came from to validate this belief, maybe you have something wrong with you or aren't truly convinced yourself that there is no God.

No, we're not the greatest country in the world and who really cares? I'd rather be blessed than great. Holding the pretense of great most assuredly comes with the notion that someone else is 'less'. I thought this generation liked to brag about being over such concepts of inequality so why base anything on such a mindless question (not you, the premise of that dopey snippet)?

As it stands we have the most money, the most luxury and the biggest military - these are the things that people consider great not freedom, because freedom is now an abstract concept to a generation that can not empathize with oppression, which is why it stands mute as that very thing slowly occurs. If these things are great then America must have been a shit pot before 1900 and we know that's not true. What made America 'prosperous' was not prosperity itself. It didn't inherit wealth and might, it worked for it. It's freedom wasn't bought and while it was won in war, it was not by superior military might, which to anyone who has read history knows this is true. (Inversely, we've made a great example for our enemies as they seem to know American history better than most school kids and know an inferior army can defeat a great military.)

This is the second time I've seen this thing posted, with one laughably calling it the most honest 3 1/2 minutes on television. If honesty is something anyone is looking for, I'd suggest tossing the television out the window as a starting point.

[Supply Sider]

ok, we got very different views out of that 3 1/2 minutes it would seem.

shots at religion? i heard 1, maybe 2. still believe in angels and "ungodly" - of which i hear used to describe a lot of things that really has nothing to do with God or religion.

but i also heard "this generation" is mired in a sense of self-entitlement that is too closely tied to who they vote for, which in my mind leads their thoughts around like a puppy dog.

are we the greatest country in the world today?

are we?

let's just start there because we seem to have again, gotten some very different messages out of this.

We absolutely should start there. And in regards to that starting point, my question is this: How do we determine whether or not we're the greatest country in the world? We certainly don't learn from the video.

The video can be divided into two parts:

1) A faux statistical analysis of why the United States is no longer the number one country in the world. The Jeff Daniels character lists a variety of rankings in which America isn't number one; however, because he presents them in a vacuum with absolutely no methodological context, they're largely useless in any determination of a "number one country." Case in point: You can have the highest overall grade in the class without having the highest grade on any one test. As he presents the statistics, they provide the appearance of a basis for his claims but, in reality, they're empty.

2) A longwinded, emotional lament about the "good ol' days" when the United States was the number one country in world -- a rant in which any statistics whatsoever are conspicuously absent.

Personally, I'd take someone who believes in angels and understands statistics over someone who doesn't believe in angels and has no idea what statistics are actually saying.

[iceberg]

Personally, I'd take someone who believes in angels and understands statistics over someone who doesn't believe in angels and has no idea what statistics are actually saying.

i don't have a problem with that. :) i guess i just took it differntly than most but i can understand what all are saying.

[iceberg]

the show itself is just all over the map.

he's "republican" so to speak.

but liberal in views.

seems like a bait & switch so far.

[Supply Sider]

The CATO Institute made a response to a clip from the show:

[JBond]

Great response by the Cato institute. The silly leftists behind the HBO propaganda machine fail to realise the hypocrisy of working for a giant media company and using that company for political purposes while at the same time crying like little babies about politics and corporations.