Republicans Walk Off House Floor as Dems Try to Extend Payroll Tax Cuts

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http://youtu.be/wV71OKdEqRI

This morning, Speaker Pro Tempore Michael Fitzpatrick (R-PA), under orders from Speaker Boehner, refused to allow Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer to speak on the floor and ask for unanimous consent to bring up the Senate bipartisan compromise to extend the payroll tax cut. Whip Hoyer and Congressman Chris Van Hollen are continuing to try to offer the Senate compromise even though Republicans walked off the floor. Once again, Republicans are risking a tax increase on 160 million Americans and the loss unemployment benefits for those who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own.

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This is the type of bullshit that is destroying our country. Not Occupy. Not kids' sense of entitlement. Not the lack of religion. Not our crumbling infrastructure.......NONE OF THAT SHIT is doing even a billionth of the harm to our great nation as this type of stuff. Again, it doesn't matter to me that it was Reps. The Dems woulda done it too if they were in the same position.

It's FUCKING SICKENING!!!!!!!!!


I know I'm guilty of overusing this term, but it applies so completely, and that is that it BREAKS MY HEART to see this crap going on with our law makers. We, us, you and me, WE need to find a way to do something about this type of behaviour. What can we do!?! Short of voting in people to replace these morons, there's really NOTHING we can do about it. Besides, the persons who'd be taking their places are just as fucked up as these criminals.

I'm sorry guys. But this stuff just really gets to me. Someone please explain to me how this behaviour helps our cause as Americans. I just don't understand why they have to be that way. Oh wait, yeah I do.......It's because someone or some corporation or corporations are greasing their palms to act in their favor. Or in this case, they don't want to tax the rich people that are all their friends, and instead just steal it from the middle class. That's been their strategy for the past, I don't know how long, so why stop now!?!

They're STEALING our $$, and we just sit back and take it. Everyone's lives are so damn busy nowadays that the average Joe just doesn't have the time to fight for what's right. That's what our politicians know, and that's what they count on. And so they just keep stealing our $$ with absolute impunity. Of course, THEY don't have to worry about any of that impacting their lives. "Diplomatic Immunity."

I could ramble on and on about this, but I'll stop here. Seriously, someone tell me how this is in any way good for our nation and our people as a whole. I'd really like to hear someone's spin on this.

UUUUUUGH!!!!!!!!!

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This single act isn't the problem, the entire game that contains it is. Putting on a horse and pony show to seem at odds is the symptom.
It's amazing how when a Republican was President, a Democrat Congress had it's hands tied, yet when a Democrat is President, Congress is a power house the President can't get around. 'Obama puts pressure on Congress', so the headlines go. Nice way to shift responsibility. Or so it seems, they're all on the same page and no one should forget that.

And unfortunately, the things you rattled off as not being the problem, are in fact a large part of the problem. We have as representatives, what we put in ini terms of effort. If we're apathetic toward the process, which I certainly have my share of the blame in, we can't hope to get anyone who will represent us. It all goes hand in hand and we have to blame ourselves first. A population misguided and too accepting of the party line and reacting accordingly not only will not change the status quo, but will work wonders in diverting attention away from what politicians are really doing. More discord amongst us over fabricated issues and demagoguery = more freedom to truly undermine the American people. Hot button topics that have nothing to do with Federal government, from religion to abortion, marriage rights and definitely not the personal lives of individuals in any scope from personal finance to health choices. We should stop fighting each other and start fighting them through careful voting practices. Don't be Republican, don't be Democrat, be American and avoid 'partisan issues' at all costs.

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It is a shame the Senate did not pass the bill. The Dems need to get their shit together. The house passed the bill days ago. The Senate is the issue. In particular Harry Reid. The Dems control the Senate...for now.

I am kinda split on this issue. I am not sure it is a wise idea to cut funding to social security. It has enough issues as it stands. But I also do not think employers should be funding social security to start with. You want to have money when you retire, save it yourself. Make the employees pay the entire 12%. The shell games need to end. The best option would be an option to opt out and let me invest at least a portion of my money the way I see fit. Instead, Obama and many before him, are blowing my money on crap.

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See what I mean... Of course there would be a compromise. Even without the dramatic exit.



Washington (CNN) -- House Speaker John Boehner on Thursday announced an agreement with Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid to extend the payroll tax cut for two months. The deal amounted to a reversal of the opposition by House Republicans of the two-month extension passed by the Senate.

Link (http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/22/politics/congress-payroll-tax-cut/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

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This is the type of bullshit that is destroying our country. Not Occupy. Not kids' sense of entitlement. Not the lack of religion. Not our crumbling infrastructure.......NONE OF THAT SHIT is doing even a billionth of the harm to our great nation as this type of stuff. Again, it doesn't matter to me that it was Reps. The Dems woulda done it too if they were in the same position.

It's FUCKING SICKENING!!!!!!!!!


I know I'm guilty of overusing this term, but it applies so completely, and that is that it BREAKS MY HEART to see this crap going on with our law makers. We, us, you and me, WE need to find a way to do something about this type of behaviour. What can we do!?! Short of voting in people to replace these morons, there's really NOTHING we can do about it. Besides, the persons who'd be taking their places are just as fucked up as these criminals.

I'm sorry guys. But this stuff just really gets to me. Someone please explain to me how this behaviour helps our cause as Americans. I just don't understand why they have to be that way. Oh wait, yeah I do.......It's because someone or some corporation or corporations are greasing their palms to act in their favor. Or in this case, they don't want to tax the rich people that are all their friends, and instead just steal it from the middle class. That's been their strategy for the past, I don't know how long, so why stop now!?!

They're STEALING our $$, and we just sit back and take it. Everyone's lives are so damn busy nowadays that the average Joe just doesn't have the time to fight for what's right. That's what our politicians know, and that's what they count on. And so they just keep stealing our $$ with absolute impunity. Of course, THEY don't have to worry about any of that impacting their lives. "Diplomatic Immunity."

I could ramble on and on about this, but I'll stop here. Seriously, someone tell me how this is in any way good for our nation and our people as a whole. I'd really like to hear someone's spin on this.

UUUUUUGH!!!!!!!!!

you only look at it from a singular perspective. this is business as usual and has been such for a long long time. do you get equally as sick when the democrats leave their states completely when it doesn't look like they're going to get their way?

corporate greed is like todays motto that many shout out and blame it because well... do you honestly understand economics from top to bottom to sort out the good from the bad, or if the surface says bad to you "twitter response" and just get upset and pass on the screaming?

then you have to trust the media to not slant things to look one way or another. are you reading the whole story from top to bottom and asking questions, or just headlines and some keywords and getting mad?

not harping on you - i really want to know.

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you only look at it from a singular perspective. this is business as usual and has been such for a long long time. do you get equally as sick when the democrats leave their states completely when it doesn't look like they're going to get their way?

Yes!

Not trying to argue here man. But I think perhaps you may not have read my entire post.
QUOTE: Again, it doesn't matter to me that it was Reps. The Dems woulda done it too if they were in the same position.QUOTE

I've stated on numerous occasions that it's not a dem or rep problem. It's ALL OF THEM. This post was just one example and it just HAPPENED to be reps that were the, I guess, guilty party.

I'm not a democrat. I'm not a republican. I'm of the opinion that they're ALL corrupt and incompetent. None of them give a shit about you or me unless we can line their pockets with $$ or further their own political aspirations.

For the record. I'm a Secular Humanist, and a Fallibilist. All of my political, phylisophical and theolgical beliefs or non-beliefs can be overly simply explained by that. I didn't even realise that I was either of those things until I got into twitter and by following the types of people that I found interesting and intelligent it turned out that those are just the categories that I fell into.

Also, I don't like the term "atheist." I just prefer "non-believer." For some reason to me, atheist has an activist connotation to it and I most certainly am not any type of an activist. Plus, a LOT of the atheist people on twitter are just as much dickwads to religious people, especially christians, as what they complain about christions being to them. They seem to think that just because religion has had a 2000-6000 year headstart on being assholes that that somehow gives them the right to do the same. It doesn't. I have no problem with religious people. My wife is a Catholic. I think religion in the home usually is a good thing. But like anything else, you get too many people in one place with one common mindset and it can and usually does become dangerous. I wish I was more spiritual. But to me the idea of any type of an omnipotent all powerful etc...etc... creator just doesn't make logical sense based on everything else I know and understand about the universe in which we live. Which is quite a lot. Not more than a physicist, but a helluvalot more than your average Joe Blow on the street. It fascinates me. Always has.

Ok I'm rambling now...That is all.

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Yes!

Not trying to argue here man. But I think perhaps you may not have read my entire post.
QUOTE: Again, it doesn't matter to me that it was Reps. The Dems woulda done it too if they were in the same position.QUOTE

I've stated on numerous occasions that it's not a dem or rep problem. It's ALL OF THEM. This post was just one example and it just HAPPENED to be reps that were the, I guess, guilty party.

I'm not a democrat. I'm not a republican. I'm of the opinion that they're ALL corrupt and incompetent. None of them give a shit about you or me unless we can line their pockets with $$ or further their own political aspirations.

For the record. I'm a Secular Humanist, and a Fallibilist. All of my political, phylisophical and theolgical beliefs or non-beliefs can be overly simply explained by that. I didn't even realise that I was either of those things until I got into twitter and by following the types of people that I found interesting and intelligent it turned out that those are just the categories that I fell into.

Also, I don't like the term "atheist." I just prefer "non-believer." For some reason to me, atheist has an activist connotation to it and I most certainly am not any type of an activist. Plus, a LOT of the atheist people on twitter are just as much dickwads to religious people, especially christians, as what they complain about christions being to them. They seem to think that just because religion has had a 2000-6000 year headstart on being assholes that that somehow gives them the right to do the same. It doesn't. I have no problem with religious people. My wife is a Catholic. I think religion in the home usually is a good thing. But like anything else, you get too many people in one place with one common mindset and it can and usually does become dangerous. I wish I was more spiritual. But to me the idea of any type of an omnipotent all powerful etc...etc... creator just doesn't make logical sense based on everything else I know and understand about the universe in which we live. Which is quite a lot. Not more than a physicist, but a helluvalot more than your average Joe Blow on the street. It fascinates me. Always has.

Ok I'm rambling now...That is all.

you're rambling. you're talking and expressing your emotion.

you should.

but how many things did you just get mad at in 1 post?

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Is anyone else surprised the Dems did not jump all over the chance to shift Social Security costs from individuals to the tax payer base as a whole for the next year? When you cut funding from individuals, that shifts the funding burden to the few federal tax payers left. It seems like that is something the Dem party would love to do. Are they being difficult for the sake of being difficult?

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Is anyone else surprised the Dems did not jump all over the chance to shift Social Security costs from individuals to the tax payer base as a whole for the next year? When you cut funding from individuals, that shifts the funding burden to the few federal tax payers left. It seems like that is something the Dem party would love to do. Are they being difficult for the sake of being difficult?

The usual suspects have been war-gaming making payroll taxes progressive (http://www.socialsecurity.fgov.be/docs/nl/publicaties/mimosis/workbonus.pdf) for some time. Meaning, over a certain income, you're contributing to your SS "fund" as well as someone else's who makes under that amount, while they pay either none or a reduced amount (but have full benefits thanks to the "rich"). This is just a backdoor way of doing that without calling it that. Like you pointed out, the taxpayers generally must make good the rows of drawers full of IOUs (Treasury bonds) that are in the SS "trust" "fund". So if they further underfund the "trust" "fund", they're just tilting the burden up the scale, just as they wanted to do all along.